SKAO Project Scientists have a multi-faceted role, working closely with the SKA engineering and science communities to prepare for construction and operation of the telescopes while conducting and publishing their own astronomy research. Dr Anna Bonaldi, from Italy, is a cosmologist based at SKA Global HQ in the UK. A co-lead of the SKA Science Data Challenge 2 and part of the committee organising the 2021 SKA Science Meeting, Anna is also involved in five of the SKA Science Working Groups and takes part in outreach activities for the general public.
To mark International Day of Women and Girls in Science 2021, she spoke to us about how she found a love for astronomy, what it takes to work in major international collaborations like the SKA, and how she’s used the COVID-19 lockdowns to perfect her pizza skills.
Tell us about your early life, Anna. Where did you grow up?
I grew up in a relatively small village near Venice in Italy. I’ve got an identical twin sister and it was funny because in the village everyone knows everybody, but nobody could distinguish me and my sister. They just called us “the twins”. When you think of yourself as an individual that’s a bit frustrating! We took quite different career paths though, as she studied languages and I went into science.
When did science become something you wanted to pursue?
I was in a secondary school which focused on humanities, so not really on a science path, but in one class we did a topic on the planets and gravity, and for some reason this really caught my interest. I started reading a bit more around astronomy in the school library and I decided this was much more interesting than what I was doing! It was my last year before university, where I had been thinking of doing architecture. I decided “no – I’m going to do astronomy!” This of course shocked my parents, who said “what do you know about astronomy?!” It was a late decision but I really found a love for it and I knew I could do it with a bit of patience. I went on to study astronomy at the University of Padua, not far from Venice.
So it wasn’t based on a long-held fascination with the night sky?
It’s a bit of a disappointing answer, but no! In my first year at university there were two kinds of people: one who for years had been looking at the stars through their telescopes, who had a lot of general astronomical knowledge. The other kind – people like me – liked the subject from a more abstract, almost philosophical point of view. Cosmology is about understanding the birth and evolution of the Universe and eventually its fate, so it’s sort of “who are we, where do we come from?” That is where my fascination lies.
What does cosmology research involve?
Instead of studying objects in isolation, you try to build a bigger “probe”. So for example you can use all the galaxies to trace the distribution of matter or of gravity in a big area. These spots of light, instead of informing us about that object in particular, inform us about the volume of the Universe that we are seeing and the forces at work. We believe if you “zoom out” of the Universe far enough it is relatively simple, that there are no special regions in the Universe, and in particular we don’t occupy any preferential position in it. So if you view the Universe like this, and think overall it is the same, we can see observations as little samples of what happens everywhere.
Were you inspired by anyone in particular on this route?
While I was studying, I really liked Einstein’s General Relativity: the methodology, the elegance of the theory. When it was formulated, very little of it could be tested. Einstein himself referred to the theory he was building as to a gigantic house of cards, built from a mathematical point of view but with very little back up from observations. Years later it has been able to withstand a lot of tests. One of the latest was in the detection of gravitational waves and how the waves should look. It so beautifully confirmed his theory, and when things like that happen I always think: “Yeah, go Einstein! Still my favourite!”
How did you come to focus on radio astronomy?
That came while working on various projects, mainly the SKA, but before that I worked a lot in the microwave range, including for Planck collaboration. I consider myself a cosmologist rather than a radio astronomer.
Alongside your own research you’re co-leading the work on the SKA’s Science Data Challenge 2. What’s the aim of these challenges?
The challenges in general will train the community for SKA data, which will be different in many respects compared to current data because the telescopes will be bigger and more sensitive, and will be able to reveal more of the sky. The data size means we need to be able to analyse a larger volume efficiently, so we need automated tools.
Some people are a bit confused when I tell them this challenge involves preparing some “pretend” SKA data – simulations of what the SKA will deliver – and asking people to analyse it as if it was real SKA data, but this is not uncommon in other fields. You wouldn’t ask a pilot to land for the first time in a real plane with passengers in the back; you would have a simulator for a pretend landing and do it many times! Of course we’re not in a life of death situation, but we still believe it’s really important to provide this training for the community to understand how to get the most out of the data, and for us to understand what the astronomers need in terms of software tools and access. We have 40 teams from 23 countries taking part, with a great spread of nationalities and collaboration between different institutes.
“The amount of good ideas that can come out of a group of people is much larger than the sum of the parts… if you collaborate, then the beginning of an idea can become a great plan.”
You received a staff performance award for the SDC2 work alongside your colleague Dr Philippa Hartley – what does it mean to you?
It was a wonderful surprise, I didn’t expect it at all. In general I take a lot of pride in my work, so I knew I worked very hard on this project but the fact it was going well is typically my reward. The fact it was recognised externally was wonderful – this past year has been a bit difficult so it was very good to see that the efforts to keep the project alive despite the difficulties have been appreciated.
It seems a career as an astronomer is now about far more than just maths and physics, with a need for international collaboration, working with different disciplines and so on. Is that accurate?
This is quite typical now. Up to around fifty years ago the sort of instrumentation that was at the forefront was typically not very expensive, so a single institute could build a telescope which could discover something exciting and new. Now it’s not the case; to discover more and go further we need something more spectacular in terms of instrumentation, which comes with a significant cost to design and build. This calls for all the interested parties around the world to come together and say “instead of building my antenna in the backyard which is going to do nothing, let’s put our efforts and our funding together, and build something good”. Such collaborations are more and more common and are creating a shift in the way of working. There’s a push for making results public and available through open science to get maximum return, so it’s less and less the image we might have of people alone in their study buried in statistics, working things out all on their own.
Do you enjoy that aspect of it?
It can be at times a bit challenging, not to just make a snap decision when your gut tells you something. Every time you have to communicate your ideas, but overall it’s very beneficial. The amount of good ideas that can come out of a group of people is much larger than the sum of the parts. If you’ve got a few very good people in isolation, there’s a limited amount of ideas they can come up with; if you collaborate, then the beginning of an idea can become a great plan, because everyone contributes to it. Not always, but when it happens it’s really spectacular.
Do you see that happening in the SKA?
Yes, for example the Science Data Challenge 2 has gone much further than my wildest dream. This is why we’ve been involving other people, each with enthusiasm, each with ideas. It has brought so many dimensions to it. In this case it was good to open the gates a little bit, instead of keeping it contained.
You’ve been kept very busy recently as you’re also one of the key organisers of the virtual SKA Science Meeting in March! What’s the value of this meeting for you?
In research it’s super important to communicate your results. People might have partial results, but if all these partial results come together then people can join the dots, so it’s very important that in science we have these moments where everyone shares what they’ve been doing.
The conference will be virtual but we’ve put a lot of effort to make it inclusive, for example for different time zones, and with no travel the costs are much reduced so it is more affordable for institutes to send more people to attend. It has the potential to be the biggest science meeting SKAO has ever had because now we don’t have the physical constraints of the size of a venue. Everyone is welcome, from students – who of course are the next generation who will be using the SKA – to more experienced researchers, so I encourage members of the community to register and join us from 15-19 March.
“I like that we are building something concrete. My speciality is quite abstract, which I love, but being able to combine that with collaboratively getting something built is really rewarding.”
You’ve been involved in outreach efforts at SKAO – how important is that in terms of building diversity, one of the foundational values of SKAO?
Outreach is important for this; the lack of diversity that we can see in some disciplines, a lot of it comes from some cultural stereotypes, which can also be different in different countries. If certain work is seen as more of a “man’s job” or a “woman’s job” it will at a relatively early age have an impact and may lead people to exclude a certain career path. If you can promote that there are indeed women in stereotypically male jobs and vice versa, then we can turn that perception around.
I don’t feel like women need to do science to prove something, or that it is more respectable or cooler than other careers. But by promoting the diversity of these figures, we can combat the relatively artificial barriers and people can feel free, and unashamed in some cases, to choose what they want to do and not feel strange or weird. Peer pressure, especially at a young age, is important unfortunately.
What’s the best thing about being part of Team SKA for you?
I like that we are building something concrete. My speciality is quite abstract, which I love, but being able to combine that with collaboratively getting something built is really rewarding. In research you might get a feeling that you’re in a self-serving position: I research what interests me, I publish what interests me, and then I find more things that interest me to publish. Being part of something bigger ensures that you’re doing something useful other than feeding your own intellect.
Your days are clearly packed with SKA work, but what do you do in any free time?
I usually wind down with some sport. During the pandemic I have become an aficionado at yoga at home in my pyjamas, which still works! It is relaxing too so it’s been good for both physical and mental health. In fact SKAO has weekly online yoga classes run by one of our own engineers who is a qualified yoga instructor. I think I’ve done more exercise and am now fitter than I was before!
Team SKA has lots of hidden talents, and I hear you used to be in a band? Tell us more…
Starting from my university period I was in several bands, singing and playing guitar, and did singing lessons. I still enjoy doing it at home, once you learn you don’t forget. My first band was a rock band, then I did more pop music for events, and I was also in an a cappella choir.
Have you tried anything new, or finessed any skills during these repeated lockdowns?
I’ve done more baking, so there was the moment of the muffin, and I’ve learned to do a decent pizza, being an Italian. By doing it regularly and having my two sons involved – who really know their pizza – now it’s a pretty good one!
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